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	<title>Comments on: Project Icarus and the Motivation Behind Fusion Propulsion</title>
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		<title>By: Targets for interstellar missions, icarus target, project icarus, icarus planet target &#8212; Project Icarus</title>
		<link>http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/blog/project-icarus-motivation-fusion-propulsion/comment-page-1/#comment-643</link>
		<dc:creator>Targets for interstellar missions, icarus target, project icarus, icarus planet target &#8212; Project Icarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] range of 15 light-years from the Solar System. This would imply an interstellar cruise velocity of 15% of the speed of light (i.e. 0.15c) to reach within 100 years, which is probably close to the upper end of what is likely [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] range of 15 light-years from the Solar System. This would imply an interstellar cruise velocity of 15% of the speed of light (i.e. 0.15c) to reach within 100 years, which is probably close to the upper end of what is likely [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Interstellar Navigation, Project Icarus, Project Daedalus, Interstellar propulsion, starship, fusion drive, fusion propulsion &#8212; Project Icarus</title>
		<link>http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/blog/project-icarus-motivation-fusion-propulsion/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Interstellar Navigation, Project Icarus, Project Daedalus, Interstellar propulsion, starship, fusion drive, fusion propulsion &#8212; Project Icarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the sub-probes to not fly too close to the targets (remember the fly past velocity was to be 12% of the speed of light – if you get too close the relative motion becomes too great).  Interestingly, it now looks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for the sub-probes to not fly too close to the targets (remember the fly past velocity was to be 12% of the speed of light – if you get too close the relative motion becomes too great).  Interestingly, it now looks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Icarus: The Motivations for Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/blog/project-icarus-motivation-fusion-propulsion/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Icarus: The Motivations for Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up the ambitious Project Icarus attempt to revisit and extend Project Daedalus, notes in a recent post on the Icarus blog that Dyson ultimately gave up on Orion (a fact that surprised me when I did a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up the ambitious Project Icarus attempt to revisit and extend Project Daedalus, notes in a recent post on the Icarus blog that Dyson ultimately gave up on Orion (a fact that surprised me when I did a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvin Long</title>
		<link>http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/blog/project-icarus-motivation-fusion-propulsion/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvin Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to the comments from John Hunt. There is no tying up expertise from BIS/TZF. Instead, a group of volunteers have decided to give up their free time to undertake an interesting design study. The Planetary Society are undertaking the Lightsail 1 project, so solar sails are also pushing forward. It is quite possible that the final Icarus design will have a hybrid propulsion system (e.g. magsail, nuclear-electric engine) to augment the main fusion drive, thereby making the critique addressed irrelevant. Also, many of the people involved in Project Icarus are involved with other projects, so there is no question of people being unable to do other work if they wish to. Anyone can put together a competing project to examine a different propulsion idea. Indeed, Team Icarus would welcome this as a good way to push different engineering designs forward to near-term fruition. How about constructively supporting this exciting venture and encouraging the personal efforts of the team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to the comments from John Hunt. There is no tying up expertise from BIS/TZF. Instead, a group of volunteers have decided to give up their free time to undertake an interesting design study. The Planetary Society are undertaking the Lightsail 1 project, so solar sails are also pushing forward. It is quite possible that the final Icarus design will have a hybrid propulsion system (e.g. magsail, nuclear-electric engine) to augment the main fusion drive, thereby making the critique addressed irrelevant. Also, many of the people involved in Project Icarus are involved with other projects, so there is no question of people being unable to do other work if they wish to. Anyone can put together a competing project to examine a different propulsion idea. Indeed, Team Icarus would welcome this as a good way to push different engineering designs forward to near-term fruition. How about constructively supporting this exciting venture and encouraging the personal efforts of the team?</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post.  It examines probably the most fundamental issue facing the project -- namely, why the BIS &amp; TZF are tying up expertise on a fusion-based interstellar design and, in so doing, preventing those resources from examining propulsion methods which may actually be used in the first true interstellar mission.

By determining that BIS &amp; TZF are only going to look at &quot;mainly fusion based propulsion&quot;, they are failing to take into account other recent work and the potential of likely advances such as nanotechnology.  This would be fine if the other methods were to receive equal expert attention otherwise.  But it seems self-evident that if the BIS &amp; TZF are focusing on Project Icarus, it is likely that they will say that they are, therefore, unable to do equal work on other promising approaches due to the lack of any more expertise.

Other promising recent proposals include: SailBeam, sun diver, solar sailing, magnetic sailing, maser &amp; laser beams, particle beams, a nanoprobe, etc, and longer duration missions.

Some of these, such as a sun diver mission, could be launched at a fraction of the cost of Project Icarus and so might be compatible with near-term space budgets.  In other words, a less massive mission might actually be more financially and, therefore, politically viable and hence, might actually be launched before a Project Icarus.  A Project Icarus would probably have to consume all of NASA&#039;s  human flight budget for decades and so is incompatible with the colonization of the solar system and so would, by necessity, be delayed at least towards the end of this century at the earliest.  By then, nanotechnology and a lunar-based infrastructure might make a nanoprobe far less costly and therefore negate any work done on Project Icarus.

So, I would like to make a simple suggestion.  Before the BIS &amp; TZF commits to tying up its expertise again on a fusion-only approach, make sure, one way or another, that there is some sort of setting whereby competing ideas have a fair shot of getting equal expert attention.

Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post.  It examines probably the most fundamental issue facing the project &#8212; namely, why the BIS &amp; TZF are tying up expertise on a fusion-based interstellar design and, in so doing, preventing those resources from examining propulsion methods which may actually be used in the first true interstellar mission.</p>
<p>By determining that BIS &amp; TZF are only going to look at &#8220;mainly fusion based propulsion&#8221;, they are failing to take into account other recent work and the potential of likely advances such as nanotechnology.  This would be fine if the other methods were to receive equal expert attention otherwise.  But it seems self-evident that if the BIS &amp; TZF are focusing on Project Icarus, it is likely that they will say that they are, therefore, unable to do equal work on other promising approaches due to the lack of any more expertise.</p>
<p>Other promising recent proposals include: SailBeam, sun diver, solar sailing, magnetic sailing, maser &amp; laser beams, particle beams, a nanoprobe, etc, and longer duration missions.</p>
<p>Some of these, such as a sun diver mission, could be launched at a fraction of the cost of Project Icarus and so might be compatible with near-term space budgets.  In other words, a less massive mission might actually be more financially and, therefore, politically viable and hence, might actually be launched before a Project Icarus.  A Project Icarus would probably have to consume all of NASA&#8217;s  human flight budget for decades and so is incompatible with the colonization of the solar system and so would, by necessity, be delayed at least towards the end of this century at the earliest.  By then, nanotechnology and a lunar-based infrastructure might make a nanoprobe far less costly and therefore negate any work done on Project Icarus.</p>
<p>So, I would like to make a simple suggestion.  Before the BIS &amp; TZF commits to tying up its expertise again on a fusion-only approach, make sure, one way or another, that there is some sort of setting whereby competing ideas have a fair shot of getting equal expert attention.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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